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[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Welcome everybody to the latest edition of Dr. David Cartland, Breaking the Silence of Conversations. And I’m delighted today to be joined by somebody who I was expecting to have a New Zealand accent as he’s coming to us from the other side of the world, but actually it turns out he’s a Geordie. Is it Geordie or we’ll come to that in a minute.
So introductions, Barry is the person that I’ve monitored on, not monitored, it sounds like I’m working for MRFI. I’ve been keeping an eye on his story really from across the globe. He’s a database analyst.
When we were talking off camera, he told me he worked for Oracle as an Oracle database analyst. So I thought he was telling me that he was a all seeing, all knowing person, but there is actually a company called Oracle. So no further ado, Barry, I’d like to welcome you to the podcast.
Thank you for joining us across the globe. And it’s what time is it your end?
[ Barry Young ]
It’s 12 minutes past seven. So thank you very much, David, for having me. It’s a pleasure to be here.
And you’re right, it has been a while. I think we contacted some time last year, earlier on. So it’s taken a while, but it’s great to finally meet you.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
I think by the sound of it we’ve been dodging bullets between us for some time, I think. So between dodging bullets, we finally got to press record. So Barry, just give us a little bit about yourself, your background, what you do for a job, and then we’ll move into sort of how you started getting bullets fired at you.
[ Barry Young ]
Yeah, what I did do for a job, past tense now, unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed. I don’t think I’ll ever work in IT again, at least not in New Zealand. So this place is like a village, it’s like two degrees of separation.
So everyone knows someone who knows someone. It’s kind of like, it’s that close knit. So if I ever dared to put my CV out in Wellington or New Zealand ever again, it’d be like, they might bring me in for a laugh, you know, for an interview, but that would be as far as- That’s what I do now, Barry.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
I tend to, I apply for jobs for that reason, because Cornwall’s very much like that. So I kind of poked the bear by applying for many jobs just to see how fun it would be.
[ Barry Young ]
Yeah, yeah, just to see, yeah, just to see what happens. But yeah, that hasn’t eventually, yeah, I haven’t reached that stage where I’m actively looking for work yet, but if that day comes, yeah, we’ll see how it goes. But I’m enjoying my retirement or my semi-retirement at the moment.
So you’ve got to put a positive spin on it. You know, life is a beautiful ride. It’s a journey, not a destination.
So I’ve got to be optimistic. No matter what they throw at you, you’ve always got to think, you know, who are worse off.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
So we’re talking off camera, Barry, about the character of somebody who does data analysis, really, somebody who wants to be in the background.
[ Barry Young ]
Olivier, can you tell? Well, yeah. Back to my background, my story.
I started off a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away and working in the UK as a mainframe COBOL programmer. That was back in 1996. So I’ve been in IT a very, very long time.
I started off programming mainframes for banks, big banks. Came over to New Zealand, worked for the biggest bank here, Bank of New Zealand for about four years. Went back to the UK for the year 2000 stuff that was going on when everyone thought we were all going to have a huge meltdown.
And boy, was that oversold. So I ended up working for several banks in the UK, Bank of Scotland, the Royal Bank of Scotland, NatWest. I did a stint in Munich, Germany, working for Motorola.
And I also did a stint in Zurich, Switzerland, working for a Swiss bank there. So I had a lot of top level clearance. I mean, you don’t get to work for a Swiss bank unless they completely trust you 100%.
So I have a lot of good pedigree, a lot of good background from our work. And when I came back to New Zealand in 2003, I started off as an Oracle Database Administrator. So it was a bit of a switch from being a programmer, developer, to actually working hands-on with the data.
And I worked 20 years as a Database Administrator. I worked for the Ministry of Health about 15 years ago, briefly. And then I went back to the Bank of New Zealand, worked there for about 10 years, and then went back to the Ministry of Health.
Because you’ve got to be careful in New Zealand, the market is so small. So if you manage to disgruntle one client, basically they will shut the door. Otherwise it’s a bit of a revolving door.
There are people who contract between two or three sites their whole entire careers. But yeah, I ended up back at the Ministry of Health. And I thought, this is it.
This is my place. This is my perfect job. This is not the job that will see me to retirement.
I was so happy there, looking forward to it, great team. Everything was great. And then COVID came along.
And yeah, that was quite an interesting time to be in health because I could see what was happening. And I don’t know if I was like, I was aware more than anyone else because I was a bit, I was kind of distrusting of the whole financial system that we had at the time. So it sort of led me to be a bit more sceptical about other things as well.
And so I thought the vaccine or the whole COVID thing, I took it with a pinch of salt. Although at the time, everyone was terrified. And I did think this is at the end of times.
It was late 2019, early 2020. We thought, oh my God, this is it. This is the big one.
But then you sort of get a dose of reality. It’s like, well, it can’t really be that bad because it just didn’t stack up. It didn’t stack up.
And especially with them saying it came from a wet market, like the whole bat thing, that just didn’t add up to me, especially when it transpired. There’s a Wuhan Institute of Virology right next door. What a coincidence that was.
That was a red flag. And they kept doubling down on it. They kept saying, oh, no, no, it came from a wet market.
It came from the wild. It’s a natural thing. Then I started hearing about all this gain of function stuff and I was like, wow, they were doing what?
They were actually trying to make things more deadly? This is actual research that was carried on. And it was carried on in China, I think at the behest of America.
I think it was sponsored by Fauci. I think he outsourced all the stuff to Wuhan because he wasn’t allowed to do it in America. And I think maybe Trump was behind that.
I’m not entirely sure, but I think maybe it was some of the research wasn’t legit or culture in the USA. So they had to move it offshore to do the gain of function. And China just happened to be it.
And it was a substandard lab and it got out. And that’s the kind of the world that we’re in now. And then the vaccine that they came up with, I thought vaccines took 10 years to develop and an average life cycle from start to finish with it being properly tested and all the money that has to go into it and the research.
And these things just don’t happen overnight. And to have them produce a vaccine within six months, despite, and I knew this at the time, so I was following a lot of different things on YouTube and whatever before it got shut down, that there were other treatments available, readily available like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, which suddenly, even though there were some of the safest drugs you could get, suddenly these things were poison and you just couldn’t get them for a lot of the money. And so, this raises your suspicions when things like that happen.
If there’s a treatment for a disease that is readily available, already out there, that is cheap to produce, it’s tried and tested, that then means there is no reason to produce a vaccine. I think that automatically stops a vaccine from being made if there’s already a treatment. And that’s according to the WHO guidelines.
But yeah, they kept pushing for the vaccine and the more they pushed for a vaccine, the more I thought, hang on, this just doesn’t seem right. And a lot of people, the prosecution, especially in New Zealand, the police, the crime, they are gonna label me as an anti-government conspiracy theory nutjob. I mean, you probably get the same in England.
It’s like, well, nothing could be further from the truth, really. I was nobody special. I was a government worker.
I believed in the system. I helped to build the system. I was part of the system, government worker.
And I built this vaccination system that they had. I helped to build it. If it wasn’t for me, it probably wouldn’t have been ready in time.
I was kind of important for that project. So they just pushed and pushed for the vaccine. And I was very skeptical of it.
I thought, well, I’m not gonna get the vaccine because I don’t really think I need it, but I’m not gonna tell people not to get it because it’s their choice. I always believed in choice. It’s your body, it’s your choice.
As long as you have informed consent, that’s fine. But then they just kept overreaching and overreaching and the government just got more and more dystopian and Orwellian. And we had mandates here in New Zealand.
I don’t know if you had that in the UK where they kind of, they gently forced people to be vaccinated. So they wouldn’t say, oh, you have to be vaccinated, but they would mandate it so that your employee, your employer, sorry, would require you to be vaccinated. Otherwise you would lose your job.
That was the way they got around it. And that caused a lot of people who didn’t really wanna be vaccinated to have to get it just so they could survive and put food on the table and provide for their families. And that to me was like, that is pure government overreach.
And that was so unfair. And I totally disagreed with that. So it’s not because I’m anti-vax or anything like that, I’m just pro-choice.
And that to me was like, it was wrong to do that.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
That mandate, Barry, was that across the board? As in, we had it in the UK, they went for the carers, they went to the doctors, but they pulled out at the last minute, at the very last minute. But it’s actually a bit more totalitarian.
[ Barry Young ]
I think it was. I don’t know what it was like in the UK, but it seemed very totalitarian here. And I mean, Jacinda Ardern, who was running the show at the time, she’s not very well liked here in New Zealand at the moment and probably will not be able to set foot in New Zealand again comfortably without a lot of bodyguards with her.
I don’t think she’d be very well received. And that’s her doing. She destroyed a lot of people’s trust in the government and she destroyed a lot of families and the economy.
And yeah, she was just awful. And I didn’t vote for her. But yeah, it was just such a bad place.
So I don’t think the mandates were across the board. I wasn’t myself. I wasn’t mandated, although I probably came about as close to being mandated.
Somehow I avoided that. But I know the police, the Navy, the armed services, all of those guys were, and they brought court cases to fight it. Some of them won, some of them didn’t.
It just depends on the organisation. I think the police won for some bizarre reason. The police got let off.
They didn’t have to be mandated. And then they came and then when the people protested in 2022 not to have mandates, the police were the worst of the lot. They absolutely trashed the protesters.
They were awful to them. So yeah, a lot of human rights were abused during that time, not a good time. There are 11,000 people in Health New Zealand, in the Ministry of Health who were given exemptions.
And there’s an OIA about that, who were just, you don’t have to be vaccinated. But for nobody else, it just seemed Health New Zealand had the exemptions. No other government department got that.
And we’re trying to find out where those exemptions went. And it’s a bit of a black box. They give you job titles and stuff like that, but it’s very hard to actually pin it down.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
It’s the big red flags, like you say, of all the departments in the world.
[ Barry Young ]
It’s that big one.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
A lot of them. And then you find out Pfizer are giving out special batteries for their employees as well whilst- Was that right? Yeah, they used to have their own special batteries, as they called them, for their employees.
So all of these red flags are waving collectively and rousing your suspicions.
[ Barry Young ]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, do you believe in the batch, the hot batch theory?
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Yeah, definitely. I mean, I’ve seen people, I mean, I know clusters of all sorts of vaccine injuries. You know, you’d get them to look at the batches.
I know there’s a website. I don’t know how bad is my batch, but there is now published data across Europe as well, particularly that have looked at the hot lots, as it were, and there is batch correlations to morbidity and mortality peaks. So that’s now not a conspiracy theory.
It’s a fact like most of the conspiracy theories.
[ Barry Young ]
Yeah, it’s funny how they turn out, isn’t it? So yeah, the hot batch thing, that is such an interesting thing. I thought that website was removed, or it was taken off Google.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
No, and again, there’s shenanigans, and it gets locked down and stuff. So you don’t want the public to find out about this correlation because, well, firstly, you don’t really want people collapsing outside the vaccine centre, do you? Because it’s a bit of a giveaway, whatever the reason behind all of this is, but you need to sort of dilute down the morbidity and mortality somewhat.
So I’m getting off on a conspiratorial tangent here.
[ Barry Young ]
I think you’re absolutely right, and it might be deliberate, or it could well be negligent because you just don’t know what the manufacturing process entails, because who knows if it’s been produced in a plant in Poland or Denmark or wherever these factories are. It could have been left on a wharf or a dock for a couple of months in the sun, and maybe the coal store malfunctioned a couple of times. So you don’t know.
It’s very hit and miss. Some of these batches, they’re not all curated properly. They’re not all quality control properly.
There’s a lot of stuff going on that we are not 100% certain of, and it’s all a blackout anyway. They do not show. They’re not transparent about how they produce this stuff or with the data involved with the manufacturing process.
And they claim it’s all IP and stuff like that, but I think they owe it to the public to be completely clear about it. So we don’t really know what is in these vaccines, or are some of them made slightly differently than others? Is that by choice?
Is that by design? Have some of them undergone a process where something bad could have happened to them? Maybe on the ship on the way over to New Zealand or in a coal store or whatever, maybe it was kept at the wrong temperature.
There’s a thousand different variables. I can go on with these to make one particular batch bad and others not so bad. And if you really go down in the conspiratorial thing, you can think, well, maybe they were just testing some out to see which ones were more deadly than others, like the gain of function thing.
It’s just a natural progression from that, isn’t it, really? If you’re thinking, oh, we want to amp up this virus to see how bad we can make it, we’ll do that in a lab. Hey, let’s not, why not do the same with the vaccine?
That seems perfectly feasible.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Yeah, and we know as well, the Pfizer trial itself, they used a different production process to what they did for the human use.
[ Barry Young ]
Yep, yep. So the vaccine that people got was not the vaccine that was trialed.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Not that that was a great trial when you dig down into it. I mean, the amount of doctors nowadays, Barry, that I speak to about the trial, they don’t even know, they don’t know the basics. Even the conclusions or the summary points, I mean, they’re just hands over ears, don’t want to know.
Because if anyone with half a brain looks at the Pfizer trial, we’ll see that this thing should never have hit the market ever.
[ Barry Young ]
Never, ever, ever. No, it was absolutely crazy. And they say, oh, 95% efficacy.
It was like, well, that doesn’t mean what you think it means. It’s only a marginal benefit has been seen. And they like, with the way they do the calculations, it gets boosted to somewhat ridiculous.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
We used statistical shenanigans, weren’t there? They were using relative risk reduction, which was relative to the control group, which exaggerated the minute benefit, you know, and rather than actually risk reduction, which was minuscule.
[ Barry Young ]
Yeah, yeah. And the thing is with the control group as well, they didn’t keep that control group so they will never, ever be able to compare the vaccinated group with the control group that wasn’t vaccinated. Because they unblinded the study at the end of the trial and they gave everyone the vaccine.
It’s like, that’s criminal. How to cover your tracks, that’s not a proper scientific study.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
But you’ve nailed it. That’s criminal. But no doctor knows that that’s happened.
They just, literally you tell this story that you just spoke about in the last two minutes. No doctor in the UK anywhere that I’ve come across actually knows about the, not only the results of the trial, but the shenanigans that we talked about, the different processes involved, you know, the unblinding of the control group, et cetera. And the outcomes, you know, the outcomes were worse, for example, in cardiovascular adverse events in the vaccinated group by a country model.
[ Barry Young ]
Absolutely. I just happened to see a very good documentary the other day, Follow the Silenced.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Yes.
[ Barry Young ]
It’s by Mickey Willis and it’s sponsored by Steve Kirsch as well, who is absolutely awesome. And it was just absolutely riveting. I think it’s about one and a half hours long and you will not be bored by any of it.
It’s just absolutely fascinating.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Literally just read it to me. I watched it last night, Barry. It’s brilliant.
[ Barry Young ]
It’s brilliant. Yeah. Yeah.
I’m going to watch it again. I was watching that last night as well. It’s just so good.
Such a good one. And it’s heartbreaking. You know, I was crying through a lot of it, but it’s like, it’s something you can’t stop watching.
So it’s, this is real. These are people, these are people who are suffering.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
The people that need their voices. And honestly, I deal with it daily, you know, even to today where I know, I know the stories before they tell me the story because they’ll tell me about, they were fit and healthy, they had the jab and then all cacophony of symptoms kick off, multisystemic inflammatory disorders, clots, neurological stuff. And they go to the doctor and the doctor says, you know, it doesn’t really fit into any of their diagnostic.
So then the gaslighting begins and they’re meant to question and suppression, suppression, suppression.
[ Barry Young ]
And it’s labelled as a neurological disorder.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
And then- They call it functional neuro disorders. Yes, that’s right.
[[ Barry Young ]
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
We say it’s all in the mind. Yeah, it’s all in the mind. Psychosomatic.
And they’re treated like crackpots. That’s absolutely bonkers. But so when did you get, when did you start putting yourself in the firing line, Barry?
Obviously you’ve got loads of these collective red flags waving. When did you start becoming a troublemaker?
[ Barry Young ]
Yeah, I mean, after I built the system, it was after I helped build the system, I was noticing clusters that you alluded to before, clusters in the data. And I’m not a statistician, but I do know data. I’ve spent 20 years waiting through gigabytes of data.
So I do know what is, what looks normal and what doesn’t look normal, for want of a better expression. And when you see data where you’ve got like an average number of deaths, a background mortality rate should be like maybe 0.75, something like that. So maybe one in a hundred, if that.
And then when you’re scrolling through the data, all of a sudden you see data deaths as a big chunk. So like a whole group of people, a whole cluster of people have all died after being injected at this one site on this one day within a couple of hours of each other. So when you start doing maths, and it’s not necessarily statistics because you can argue about statistics and it’s very, very convoluted.
It’s very, it gets very complicated very quickly. But when you are just discussing probability, it’s a lot simpler in my opinion. It’s just like basically you’re doing coin tosses.
So it becomes a lot more easy to explain. And you can work out the age standardized mortality rate for the people in your cluster. So you can get all those ages and stuff like that.
And you can work out, well, these people there, their mortality rate should be this, they should be that. And then you come up with a basic number. You say, well, of that, you can call it a cohort.
If you want, of that group of people, you would expect in one year, let’s just say mortality rate, in one year you can say, well, maybe 12 of them should have died or could have died. But then you say, well, no, that’s 36 of them are now dead. From that group of 99 who were all vaccinated within two hours, within a two hour period, they all died within a year.
So of 99, 36 of them are now dead. And you just say, well, what are the chances of that? And it works out as 1.8 trillion to one against. It’s like winning a lottery.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
That would be pulled at that point, even in one, even if it’s one vaccine center with that.
[ Barry Young ]
That’s the easiest, it’s the easiest way to explain it and to see that this is wrong. And this is like winning the lottery three times in a row for something like that to happen by chance. I mean, it doesn’t happen.
And that was just one tiny little example. That is just one small example. There are hundreds and hundreds of cases like that.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
And so when I started seeing that data. Treble lottery win episodes.
[ Barry Young ]
Yes, even bigger than that, even more bizarre than that. It’s like you’re talking like galactically impossible events happening. And this is New Zealand.
We’ve got a population of 5 million. So for this to happen by chance, we’d have to be on earth for trillions of years for that to actually, you know, and injecting all the time, 24 seven. We’d have to have lived for trillions of years for that to eventuate by just by natural probability.
These things are off the scale, so remote. And yet they were happening all the time, all the time.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
So what were you doing with this data? So you were seeing all these aberrations, these like, like you say, infinitesimal probability events happening every day. What did you do with it?
Did you?
[ Barry Young ]
I struggled with it because I could see, it was like watching a train crash unfold in real time. And I knew the stories of these people. You know, there was a lot of heartbreak in the data.
It’s just like when you’re sitting behind a desk at a computer, you’re just seeing numbers. But then when you translate that into people’s lives being lost needlessly, it’s like, it hurts. It really hurts.
So it was like, for me, that was my burden. So I’d helped to create the system. So it was like, well, that’s on me.
You know, that really hurts me to have helped to create something which isn’t helping people. It’s not doing what it, you know, it’s not doing a good thing. And it was like, Lord of the Rings was precious.
I felt that I was carrying this weight, this thing with me. And I wouldn’t stop until we end this thing and we don’t ever have this again. This has been a complete nightmare these last five years, this dystopian world that we live in.
So whatever it takes, we end the COVID vaccine program and we just never do this again to humanity. We don’t go down this road again.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Where did you take your bike then? Where did you take to social? I know you were saying before off camera that you’re not really a social media person.
[ Barry Young ]
No, I wasn’t on social media at all. It was difficult because everyone else in Health New Zealand are all on board with it. They all think it’s safe and effective and it’s doing the right thing.
But it’s like, you get to a stage when you think this is willful blindness or cognitive dissonance or mass formation psychosis. People, you’ve got to see what is out there. You’ve got to know this is happening but you’re deliberately ignoring it.
And you’re probably aware of that. That’ll be with doctors as well. They know something’s not right but they’re deliberately ignoring it.
And so yes, I was stuck between a rock and a hard place at Health New Zealand because I knew everyone was okay with it. They weren’t going to do anything. So what was I going to do?
What in my little position of being a nobody, not on social media, nobody knew who I was. So how do I get the message out there? How do I help people?
So it was difficult. It really was. And the longer it took, the more data came in, which was a double-edged sword.
I mean, it was great because the richness of the data set is incredible. You’ve got a full two, three year study essentially. But the downside of that is that there are lives lost on there.
And yeah, I’ve got to get this story out so that I can help people and make sure that this doesn’t happen again. And we should be more careful next time. And so yeah, I went to a few different sources.
I thought, well, what’s the best way to do this? Because I’m not a stats guy. I need expert eyes on this.
I knew Health New Zealand would not entertain a bar of it because that was their narrative. They were safe and effective. I didn’t know what the whistleblower act was at the time.
I had no comprehension of it. So basically I was just using my gut and my moral compass and trying to do the right thing and just winging it. And so I thought, well, I’m gonna get this out so it can be analysed properly, so that experts can say, yes, it is a thing or it’s not a thing.
And so I got the data and I thought, yes, this is a bad thing. So I emailed the executive leadership team at Health New Zealand, at the Ministry of Health. I said, look, you gotta be really careful with this.
This vaccine is deadly, it’s killing people. I’ve got the data to prove it. And I knew once I’d done that, once I’d sent that email off, which was a protected disclosure, I knew that was it.
I knew the shit was gonna hit the fan, like right quick. So it was a very carefully timed thing. So I was just perched at the keyboard and I knew as soon as I pressed send, it would be like, all hell would break loose.
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[ Barry Young ]
And I knew once I’d done that, once I’d sent that email off, which was a protected disclosure, I knew that was it. I knew the shit was going to hit the fan like right quick. So it was a very carefully timed thing.
So I was just perched at the keyboard and I knew as soon as I pressed send, it would be like all hell would break loose. And sure enough, locked out of the system, cops called, the aid arm police smashed my house in and stuff like that. It was a bit rough.
And ironically, known now as the Whistleblowers Act, the Protected Disclosure Act, the police are actually an appropriate authority to make disclosure too. I had full rights to actually go to the police with this data and say, hey, you’ve got to do something. So it’s a bit of a dilemma when you’re trying to disclose something to a group, an organisation, New Zealand police, who are pointing a gun at you and you’ve got your arms behind your back in handcuffs and they’ve just smashed it into your house.
So how does that work? And what are they saying to you back then?
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
They’re doing this kind of banging the door through and they got you cuffed. And what are you being charged with here?
[ Barry Young ]
Dishonesty access in the computer system. It’s a white collar crime, you know, typing words into a computer basically. And they just treated me like I was a drug lord or something.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
I’ve never seen anything like it.
[ Barry Young ]
Searching for things that you shouldn’t be searching for. So they’re all geared up.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
What’s the time frame between you pressing send on that email and that happening?
[ Barry Young ]
Was it hours? Not long, actually, not long. So I sent that email off.
And I sort of went to the choir. I knew I’d been locked out of the system and everything. And I just knew it was all sorts of shit going on in the background.
And then this guy turned up to serve me some documents, say a big sheet of papers like that. That was from the employment court. And I was so nervous at the time.
I thought it was a hitman. I thought I was going to get whacked. Because he looked dodgy.
And I was like, this guy that was just hanging around. And he was like wearing tracksuit and a shell suit. He just looked like a hitman.
He looked like an assassin. So I was absolutely terrified. And so I went to the house, and he was there waiting for me.
He just came out of nowhere and said, there you are. And I thought, oh, it’s a process server. And I said, oh, thank you very much.
I think I was relieved more than anything. I was like, my heart was like, do, do, do, do, do.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Again, it’s sinister, isn’t it? A guy hanging around on the street, ready to give you an envelope and a shell suit.
[ Barry Young ]
It was so horrible. I went back and looked through this thing. And it was like, this is absolutely all crap.
It doesn’t even have my correct name or job title on it. You know, they completely botched it. So they must have been in such a hurry to get everything together.
They got my name wrong. They got my job title wrong. They had someone else’s details on there, someone else’s name, someone else’s address.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
And was the crux of it just that meddling, shut up or else?
[ Barry Young ]
Yeah, yeah. It was just an employment thing. And I was like, I could not understand it.
It was just absolute lawyer gobbledygook. You will cease and desist and blah, blah, blah. So I was thinking, well, it’s probably a bit late for that now.
So I thought, okay, it’s just going to be like an employment thing. They’re going to be pissed off with me. I’m going to get sacked.
Fair enough. And then I think it was the next day, the cops just raided me. So they must have been behind the scenes.
They had this whole operations thing, like headquarters, and that must have been at some really high level to get all that stuff. And I looked through the disclosure packages afterwards that the police had to give me because I’m self-represented and stuff. And my God, the level of the power that they’ve got, the surveillance that they’ve got, the abilities they’ve got to see the population and just the surveillance is incredible.
And the power to go to companies like Microsoft and Google and say, stop this guy’s email accounts. We want everything. And then Google’s just like, yep.
Okay. And Microsoft as well. And it’s like, they’ll just all comply.
And so the police have got some amazing powers to do stuff like that. Terrifying. So I’ve lost all my emails and all my stuff and all my photographs of whatever I had on there.
It’s all gone.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
And at this point, Barry, correct me if I’ve misunderstood. You’ve sent an email saying there’s a problem here with the vaccine. There are clusters that I’ve seen whereby infinitesimal chances of these clusters of death are happening.
So that’s your crime at the moment. You’ve flagged up a red flag.
[ Barry Young ]
Yeah, yeah. Legitimately, I didn’t know the whistleblower act at the time, like I said, but I acted as close to the definition of a whistleblower as you could get. I fit every single one of those criteria to be a legitimate whistleblower, even though I didn’t know it at the time.
I was. But yeah, the thing is about the police, I could have gone to them. But what do you think they would have done?
After knowing what I know now, they raided me and put me in handcuffs and stuff like that. That was their reaction. So it’s like, maybe the whistleblower act needs to be revised somewhat.
Or the police need to take a step back and say, hang on a minute, is this guy legit? Or is he a criminal?
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
How were you treated by the police, Barry? So you’ve obviously been raided, coughed? Awful.
[ Barry Young ]
Absolutely awful. And I have to be honest here. I was sent to prison as well the next day.
The guys in the prison, the prison guards were awesome, were brilliant, brilliant guys. And I’ll never forget the treatment I got from them was completely different to the way the cops treated me. And the guy in the prison is a lovely guy.
I’ll never forget. He said to me, he said, there’s a lot of us in here are really grateful for what you’ve done and really respect you for that. And a guard, an old screw said that, you know, it broke my heart.
It broke me up. I was so emotional to hear that. It filled me with confidence to know that there are good people out there in jobs like security and prison and stuff.
And maybe a couple of police as well. Maybe a few police as well. But my experience of them, yeah, I think they probably see the worst of everyone, the worst people.
So they’re probably used to seeing people who are violent, who are not in the best state of minds. And that’s just their mentality. So they meet hostility and aggression or they’re perceived hostility.
They would just, they come at you like a bullet again. They are in your face aggressive without being, hang on a minute. I’m not offering any resistance here.
I’m not a violent person. Why are you treating me like this? It’s like, just calm down.
I’m not a bad guy here. And so I think that’s probably maybe their training or their experience of people. But yeah, it wasn’t good.
So…
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Can you fill in the gaps there, Barry, between the raid and the cops taking you into, you said, were you put in prison?
[ Barry Young ]
Yeah. That was to do with the evidence. So I was taken to Wellington Police Station.
This was Sunday, the 3rd of December. I spent a night there as they were going through all the evidence from my devices and whatnot. And so I was a year, I mean, a night in the cells.
Felt like a year. And then caught the next day. And when I went to court, they were saying, oh, we found a cloud account.
So all the data is on the cloud, apparently. So they thought. So they claimed to the judge, they said, oh, we need another 24 hours to get it.
And he’s a danger if we let him out because he might do something. It’s a complete bullshit. So the judge said, OK, then we’ll keep him in prison until you get the data from the cloud that you need.
And apparently, they were claiming it was a terabyte of data. It wasn’t. It turned out it was something completely different, like completely unrelated.
So anyway, they used that as an excuse for me to stay in prison for a night. And it was an experience. I mean, I must admit, I didn’t expect to go to prison anytime in my life.
And now I’ve done it. I don’t want to go back. But yeah, it was a hell of an experience.
I don’t know if you’ve had anything like that. Have the cops been called or anything?
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
No, not yet. They’re just trying everything else. It’ll be the social media, trolling, nothing, nothing to do with prison.
We’ve had police, the trolls have contacted police about me being a perpetrator of harassment whilst harassing me. The same people reporting about GMC, about 250 GMC complaints now since I spoke about all of them, most of them thrown out. But the ones I hang on to this approach of if you throw enough mud, they hope some of it sticks.
And so I’m very much facing the end of my career in three or four.
[ Barry Young ]
Which I’m looking forward to. Well, no prison.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Good on you.
[ Barry Young ]
Well, it wears you down, doesn’t it? And I know with the stuff that I’m going through, I’m getting all these disclosures from the prison. It’s just like, they’re just desperate and they’re throwing everything.
And it must be the same for you. They’re just so desperate to get anything. They’re going through interviews that Steve Kirsch has done on Tucker Carlson’s show as evidence against me.
It’s like, man, isn’t that just true? Isn’t that hearsay? So they’ve got gigabytes and gigabytes of this stuff.
And every couple of months or couple of weeks, they just give me a new package. And it’s like, it’s unbelievable. There’s hundreds and hundreds of files in there.
And each of them is like a few megabytes each. And it’s like, there’s no way I can look through that. And I think that’s deliberate.
I think it’s just like a confusing tactic. They’re trying to obscure stuff, but it’s not going to work. And they’re just trying to throw everything at me just to hope something sticks.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
So is that what they’re doing? They’re surveying your social media, they’re watching- Oh, yeah, yeah. Even if they think you’re a third party?
[ Barry Young ]
Yeah, true. I’ve had a shadow policeman working basically full time on me for the last year and a half. That’s been his job.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
And that’s just one of them. Honestly, I thought I had it bad, Barry, but this is sickening. I actually feel pretty sick hearing that, that you have literally- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[ Barry Young ]…
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
looked at all spikes and things that as a data analyst would be the right thing to whistleblow on all of this. I mean, you probably haven’t even scratched the surface of the incarceration that you faced in the last several months. But what else has happened?
I mean, it’s bad enough, but have you been stalked? Have you been any threats?
[ Barry Young ]
No, no, no. It’s New Zealand, I think. It’s a beautiful country.
It really is. And I think Kiwis are okay. They’re not stalkers.
I never get that impression that the people are like that here. I mean, I’m sure there are people who are like that everywhere, but Kiwis are down to earth, and I think they’re prepared to live and let live unless they’re programmed. And you get that as well.
If it’s a government dog whistle, the government will say, he leaked personal data. Personal data is like a trigger point for people. They think, my personal information, and they shit themselves.
They go into some kind of meltdown. They think, oh, my data. And it’s like, well, you know, there was in one of their disclosures, and they give this to the press as well.
They claim 12,000 people’s details were leaked and possibly more. 12,000 private health records. But it’s like, no, you’re just saying that, and you’re just saying that as a dog whistle to try and get people to react.
You’ve got to back that stuff up with actual evidence and facts, and they can’t, and they won’t. So that 12,000, I had them on about that as I wrote to the court. They’ve got to actually produce some evidence of this because where are you getting that number from?
So that 12,000, now they hired a really expensive IT company as well, one of the best in the world, paid them millions and millions of dollars. So it’s like, my court case is going to be one of the most expensive in New Zealand history, if not the longest running, the most expensive. And they’ve spent millions on this, and this top IT company have gone through all the stuff and done a lot of snooping, and they’re not even looking at the data that I was administering.
It’s not my data. They’re just looking at anything, anything. So of that 12,000 potentially identifiable, they reduced that number to 7,336.
So that’s people who could be identified. Okay, that’s not saying that they’re identifiable. It’s like could be, which is like, it’s a meaningless phrase, right?
Of that 7,336, 6,172 of them are deceased. So it’s like what they did to get that number, they went through all the obituary columns online. And you’ve probably got that in the UK, you know, you go to a newspaper, online newspaper, and you look for the obituaries, and you basically get names and dates, date of birth, date of death.
And they just went through all that to get a list of 6,000. And this is all from that one email that you sent? This is all from one email?
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Or have you continued to make disclosures?
[ Barry Young ]
They’re trying to get anything to cause, you know, people to be thinking it’s worse than what it is. And it was the worst thing, the absolute worst thing. It’s like, it’s a list of names.
They say, oh, you gave out the vaccinator’s names. It’s like, no, I didn’t, for one thing. And the vaccinator’s names are available on the government websites anyway, as registered practitioners.
You can look it up on a government website and get the names. You can even get their telephone numbers and which practice they are at. So it’s like, all the stuff that they’re claiming I released is available online.
And 12,000 names of vaccinators or whatever, you know, it’s, if you’ve got a list of names, 12,000 of them, how many of them are going to be John Smith or Jimmy Barnes or whatever? You know, it’s just, it’s just names. There are no contact details anywhere in the database that I built, none whatsoever.
So you don’t get no telephone numbers, no email addresses, no physical addresses, nothing, not one thing. And they cannot find a single person online.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
So they seem to dive down this disclosure of personal information rather than anything else.
[ Barry Young ]
Oh, yeah. Because people freak out. It’s a psychology thing.
They know that if they say, your data has been hacked, or your private medical information is being disclosed. People are like, they get their backs up. And it creates, it’s like Orwellian, it’s the hate, it’s the minute of hate.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
It’s your case in the press Barry, has it hit the press?
[ Barry Young ]
Oh, it did, it did. With the 12,000, that was a huge story. They actually, you know, it was on the news and stuff on the TV.
But since then, it’s radio silent. And I’m okay with that, because this is the mainstream media. And the mainstream media in New Zealand is not doing well.
It’s not doing well at all. So we’ve lost a lot of journalists from the mainstream over the last year. I think News Hub or News Talk, 300 journalists gone because nobody trusts them, and nobody’s watching the news.
So it’s like they’re doing it to themselves. So it’s like, if you talk crap and make stuff up, people are going to twig and people are going to stop watching. So it’s like the journalism, the mainstream in New Zealand is dying.
It’s in its death throes. And that’s okay with me. So they can’t be bothered to come to a court case or here.
Probably because they haven’t got the resources. But that’s fine, because we are the media now. There’s guys like you, you know, they would love to have your kind of figures, the tweets and stuff like that.
We are the media. Citizen journalism, it’s a big thing now. It’s a big thing.
And I think that’s great. It’s like democracy. It’s like freedom.
It’s like opening the doors so that people who want to know, can find out for themselves. And they’re not constrained by the likes of the BBC to just think what they want you to think.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
What would you say now in terms of the public? I mean, in the UK, I’m witnessing privately, at least a massive awakening. Do you feel like the barometer of trust has gone, like you say, away from the media and the government towards people twigging what’s gone on the last five years?
[ Barry Young ]
I think so. I think it’s more now than it’s ever been. And I think that’s a great thing.
But it’s so slow. It has been painful to watch. Because, you know, when I thought, when I did this, I thought, oh, this is it.
Nobody can argue with this. Nobody can argue with this data, because it’s concrete, it’s rock solid. It shows the vaccine is a dangerous product and should be pulled.
That’s it. And I thought, champion, we’ll end it. And it just hasn’t been like that.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
I think you’ve both upset some very powerful people in Big Pharma, by the sounds of it.
[ Barry Young ]
Well, I hope so. And they deserve it. They’ve been so wrong and so powerful for so long.
It’s like they’ve had immunity since the 80s. Ronald Reagan brought them in. And it’s like, why would you want immunity from prosecution?
If it’s safe and effective? What are you scared of?
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
And that answers itself, you know?
[ Barry Young ]
Amazing question.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
These companies have got massive payouts. I posted only the other day, the amount of liabilities paid out by all the big pharma companies. It’s off the scale numbers.
And these guys get indemnity from prosecution. They’re still using the Immunities Use Authorization. They’re quashing any treatments that would have helped alleviate any of these upper respiratory symptoms of the alleged virus.
[ Barry Young ]
Because of that, you know, it’s a cruel world.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
What’s this done to your life, Harry, in real terms, obviously? I mean, this sounds like terror. I live a life of being terrorized by the perpetrators of my own campaign against me.
But this sounds awful. This sounds another level. So how’s it affecting you?
Did you get sacked from your job?
[ Barry Young ]
Yeah, I got sacked from the job pretty quick. Life is beautiful. I always think, you know, watching that vaccine documentary, Follow the Silenced, it’s like people have got it so rough out there.
There are so many people worse off. So my little sacrifice is nothing to them. I mean, for whatever it is, you’re welcome for what I’ve done.
You don’t have to thank me, but it’s like, and life is still beautiful. Life will always be beautiful. And yeah, I just want to live my best life.
And I think now I think I’ve achieved something, you know, it’s like I can die happy for what I’ve done, what I’ve tried to do. It’s my own personal opinion anyway. I think I was in the wrong place at the right time, if you want to put it like that.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Are you being left alone now? Like you said, there’s been a radio silence, is it kind of just like…
[ Barry Young ]
From the media? Yeah. I’m very lucky to be in New Zealand.
I mean, people are quite, you know, it’s a very quiet place.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Is the court case done right now or is it on hold?
[ Barry Young ]
No, no, no. It’s just starting. This is incredible.
It’s like the process is the punishment. And you probably realise that as well, the process, and they will bleed you dry. And if I’d gone through the system and hired a lawyer, my God, I’d be living in the streets.
I’d be in poverty. Well, I’m not far off now, but it would be just absolutely awful because the lawyers, they’re on $600 an hour. And the first couple of legal bills that I got was like, what the hell?
I was like, there’s no way this, you cannot justify that. So, I thought I’ll be self-represented and I don’t like people raising money for me just to go to a lawyer. Well, yeah, I never asked for a penny for any of this and it helps my case anyway, because it shows that I’m not in it for it to get a benefit.
And that is one of the key criteria they need to prove my guilt. I’m not doing it for any benefit. I never have, never would.
So, yeah, it’s kind of funny to be here.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
It’s completely different. It’s harrowing, this story is harrowing. You can see that it’s been attritional to you, the same as me, look what it’s done to my forehead.
You know, the fact that we’re both smiling in the way, it’s a sick situation. But as you mentioned, you just got to look at other people, you know, I deal with vaccine injured every day. As you mentioned, life is good.
And now I’ve got the sun out today and the beaches to look forward to this afternoon. You just got to keep in that mindset. As you said, a lot of it rings true between our situations where the process is the punishment, the financial raping that we get.
You know, if I had a solicitor for every letter that I received from these people, I’d be bankrupt as well. So I’m a litigant in person now. And so, yeah, it’s really sorted the man out from the boys this whole thing.
[ Barry Young ]
Absolutely, absolutely. So yeah, I’m more of a lawyer now than I ever was. So now quite a bit of a lawyer.
And I’m not scared of them. And that is good. So I went in there over the trial.
So I had a pre-trial a couple of weeks ago, the 5th and 6th of May. And it was fine. So I was in there, pretty much just self-representing.
The court tried to give me a lawyer. It’s called an amicus curia. I don’t know if I have that in the UK.
It’s Latin for friend of the court. It’s meant to be like an impartial, neutral legal advisor. So they’re meant to be on my side-ish.
So I asked this person, do you think, yes or no, COVID vaccines save lives? And she said, yes. And I’m like, uh-uh, you’re not going to help me.
You’re sacked. You’re sacked. You’re fired.
So I sat in the court. I says, I do not recognise, acknowledge this person to my left. I don’t want anything to do with that.
And no disrespect, I’m sure you’re a great lawyer and a great person and that, but I don’t want you to help me. And the judge was like, okay, then we’ll see how it goes. And so there was two prosecution lawyers and the judge and her, and also a Health New Zealand lawyer as well, who was against me.
And I stood my own. And as soon as I started fighting back at them, the judge says, okay, to the amicus, my little helper, said, okay, you’re not needed. You can go.
And the longer it went on, the more confident I got out of that pre-trial. And that was such like an eye opener. And there were people behind me and the crowd.
And I said to them, I said to the prosecution, you know, you’re meant to be the good guys. You are meant to represent law and order. You put the rapists away.
You put the robbers, you put the drug dealers away. But who are the people here to support now? Who are they supporting?
They’re supporting me. They’re here for me, not you.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
They’ve got to be careful, haven’t they, really? Because they’re taking on what I call the people’s champions now. Yes, I know.
[ Barry Young ]
I know. They did get that. I think they did get that.
And I said to them, I’d say, I’m not here because of the people in front of me. I’m here for the people who are behind me. And that support, I felt, and that was such a beautiful thing.
And at the end of it, at the end of the pre-trial, I said to them, because there’s so many holes in their case, you know, I’ve just talked to a few of them, like that 12,000 people number that they came up with, that’s absolute bullshit. The whole case is bullshit. They’re using evidence of my court appearances when I do interviews outside the courts.
They’re using those interviews as evidence in my trial. That’s how desperate they are. So it’s like I go outside after a court date, I do an interview, the police are watching that, they’ll record it, and they’ll package it up and give it to me as evidence.
It’s crazy. So yeah, they are absolutely desperate. And the longer it went on, the better it was for me.
And at the end of it, I said to them, I said to the prosecution, I said, I really do hope this goes to trial, to full trial, because I will have a field day. I absolutely will. I will make them look like complete asses, because their evidence is absolute shite.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Yeah. Do you think they’ll back down eventually, and they’ll just use the process?
[ Barry Young ]
I don’t think I’ve got a choice, but yeah, the process is a punishment. It’s gone on for like, 500 plus days now. And yeah, maybe it’s just a nutrition thing, and they’ll get sick of it, just want to walk away.
But the next one, the next hearing is my whistleblower one. So halfway through, they said, what about the whistleblower defence? And I said, I was trying for that from day one.
So it’s taken 507 days for the twig. So they said, all right, we’ll set aside a date for the whistleblower hearing. And that is a positive move.
And I think that’s probably the best thing that they can get out of it. So if they do actually hear me as a protected disclosure hearing, then it doesn’t matter if you’re pro-vax, anti-vax, whatever your status is, this is a good move for New Zealand, because it’s a case law thing. It’s a precedent.
I don’t think there’s been a case like this in history of New Zealand, because it’s a new act. It only came out in 2022. And this is a, well, it’s a high-profile case.
And so it doesn’t matter what side you’re on, pro, anti, vax, it’s the process that I’m going through now. So if you’re a whistleblower, if you see something wrong in your workplace, whatever, it doesn’t have to be government, could be private enterprise, could be a factory, anything like that. If you see something wrong, that shouldn’t be happening, that’s endangering life or whatever.
It gives you the confidence and the knowledge of the process to follow the right steps to go through. And if I do nothing else, then hopefully, that’s what’s going to come out of this. That people, it will give them closure, it will give them clarity to see what…
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[ Barry Young ]
If you see something wrong, that shouldn’t be happening, that’s endangering life or whatever, it gives you the confidence and the knowledge of the process to follow the right steps to go through. And if I do nothing else, then hopefully that’s what’s going to come out of this. That people, it will give them closure, it will give them clarity to see, well, this is the way to do it.
So it doesn’t matter about the vaccine stuff. If they do say it is a particular disclosure, and I do get immunity, what that means next is they have to then look at what I was blowing a whistle about, which means that they’re going to have to look at the vaccine data. But what do you think is going to happen when they do that?
They’re going to say, oh, no, no, nothing to see here, it’s all good, it’s all safe and effective, he was wrong. But if I do get immunity, that is a win, that is a huge win. And it’s a win for the whole of New Zealand, and for the little guy to do the right thing.
And that is important. So I think that is a battle that would be a good one to win. The war is still ongoing.
And of course, they’re not going to admit that the vaccine is killing people. And I’m just going to have to accept that.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Yeah, even with damning data, you’ll have been in coffee rooms with damning data.
[ Barry Young ]
‘I know, I know. It will fill blindness.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Yeah.
[ Barry Young ]
But what can you do? There are so many people like that. And it’s just a process of attrition.
And one by one, people are going to wake up.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Yeah.
[ Barry Young ]
But we are getting stronger, and they’re getting weaker.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
So it’s just a matter of time. And again, with that public swell of support. Now, everyone knows somebody who’s injured now, or they’ve been to so many funerals, or they know so many people that had cancers, and they’ve all got one thing in common.
You know, I’ve just been back in practice in the NHS the last three weeks. And I’ll say some pretty damning stuff, you know, I don’t actively go out to look for these vaccine injuries. But if somebody like I’m doing referrals for cancers, I’ve done several, in fact, I went to my colleague and said, How many postmenopausal bleeding referrals have you done?
I’ve done about five in two weeks, six, maybe, you know, you’d never seen that before. Never seen it before, you know, and you know, when you’ve done a two week wait referral, because it’s about three pages, four pages, and you have to fill it in and goes off and you have to let the receptionist know the secretary no time. So you know, when you’re doing that, and skin cancers, I’ve done about six or seven in the last proper squamous cell carcinomas or melanomas in people that are in their 50s that you just wouldn’t normally see that many.
[ Barry Young ]
And you know, what it’s amazing, you’re right, the health system in New Zealand is broken. We are like, we’ve got a huge deficit billions and billions of dollars for a country of only 5 million people. We’re in a hole big time with the health system.
It’s just collapsing. And it’s like, well, what has changed to make it like that? What is happening now to make it so bad, that you can’t get it going to see a doctor and stuff like that.
But you know, you look at the prosecution, and the judge and the cop who’s on my case the whole time, never seen anything, never, never seen anything. You know, Astrid syndrome, as I call it. It is, it is.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Barry, let’s say just to finish, really. Let’s say you’re sat in a room of people, doctors, nurses, healthcare staff, and they’re all giving out the latest booster, booster, booster, booster. What would you say from your experience over the last three or four years?
What would you say to appeal to them to speak out to stop this? You’ve got a captive loaded, loaded question.
[ Barry Young ]
I know, but what I said before, what I said before, it’s like, well, you know, if you don’t look at the statistics, and you just want to look at probability, the probability that this vaccine is killing people is a near certainty as you will get. It’s a sure thing. It’s a killer.
You are killing people.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
And if that’s not enough to stop them, then nothing will. But again, they’re just like, say, hands over, safe and effective.
[ Barry Young ]
Yeah. Hear no evil, see no evil, but do a lot of evil.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Barry, you’ve been an amazing guest. Thank you ever so much for sharing your story. I know it’s been a long time to press record on this, but as we’re both getting battered from all angles, really appreciate your time.
I know there’s been a big time difference as well. So I appreciate you coming to me late in the New Zealand day. Oh, you’re welcome.
Thank you for having me.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Fantastic, Barry.
And please do stay in touch and let us know how you get on with this whistleblowing act. It’s the precedent that New Zealand needs, really.
[ Barry Young ]
Yeah, let’s hope so. Fingers crossed. All right.
Take care, Barry.
[ Dr. David Cartland ]
Thank you, David.
[ Barry Young ]
Cheers.
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